48. Breastfeeding & Pumping at Disney World (More Magic!)

[00:00:00] Coming up, we have a very special guest joining us today to really shed some light on the possibility of continuing pumping and breastfeeding while at Disney. It is a somewhat touchy topic. It is an anxiety-ridden topic. It is something that feels insurmountable to so many moms. And we are going to connect with a specialist and expert today to teach you exactly what you need to know to make it happen for you and your baby.

[00:00:26] Hey there, everyone. Welcome in to another More Magic on a Thursday episode here. I am your host, Allie. I'm with Stacey. And for the first time, not in forever, but ever, we have ourselves a very special guest. Her name is Tamari, founder of One With The Pump. She is a lactation consultant and specialist and expert in all of the things. I think a lot of our moms listening, their ears just perked up because this is a topic we get questions about honestly all the time.

[00:00:56] And as moms ourselves, we have our own personal experiences. I am definitely going to share a little bit about mine after we get going here, but I am so excited to hear. And well, of course, Stacy is. And I say, of course, because I know Stacy's experience and we really are from opposite ends of the spectrum. But before we dig in, Tamari, thank you so, so much for being here. I really just am excited about this conversation and the way it's going to help our M&Ms, new moms, maybe moms-to-be that are scared to plan their trip, or maybe they already have their baby and the trip is upcoming.

[00:01:26] And maybe they're thinking of canceling and we're like, don't do that. You don't have to. And I think you're just going to be so helpful. So thanks so much for being here. Thank you so much for having me. Give us a 30 second, just who you are and how you became this awesome person and expert as it comes to breastfeeding, pumping and travel. Just, you know, an overview so people know who they're listening to. Hi, how are you? Thank you guys so much for having me. My name is Tamari. I am founder of One With The Pump. I have a lot of babies, thank God, and I pumped and nursed and did all the things for all of them.

[00:01:54] And something, you know, you don't like expect yourself to have to think about every situation, how you're going to manage breastfeeding in that situation. Like everything, everything when you have to pump just feels like it can be more stressful. So I'm so excited to talk today and talk through how to make all of this so much easier for you. I am a mama for, I exclusively pumped with my first child in 2017.

[00:02:17] And then in 2020, I was going to have my second child and I ended up also having to pump and there was no support back in 2020. Everything, as we all know, it was a virtual time in the world. And I was like, hey, if we're all sitting at home, why don't I just go ahead and put things on my Instagram for my friends, which ended up thankfully turning into a lot of virtual friends. And now I get to help tons of moms reach their goals, whether it's pumping, whether it's nursing, whether it's combo.

[00:02:46] And I love being able to help moms feel just more in control, specifically times where it can feel chaotic, whether it's you just have a baby or you're planning to go to Disney and you want it to be the best experience for you. You have other children or you don't and you know that you have to pump. And today we're going to talk about how you're going to do that. You're going to have magic while you're pumping and we're going to make the whole thing happen. That's so great. I'll tell you what. I was one of those moms that I exclusively pumped.

[00:03:14] I had twins and my wife also had our oldest daughter and she exclusively pumped. So we were both exclusive pumpers and it really wasn't by choice. It was by necessity. And it was one of the, if not the hardest thing I've ever done in my entire life. And I did do it at Disney. And it was this thing that felt almost impossible. And I know that it stops people from doing things, whether it be these trips that we talk about, the travel or just other day to day, you know, life things.

[00:03:41] You feel bound or pressured or like you can't do the things that make you you or that bring you the joy outside of it. You know, because especially I know your focus here right now is about pumping. And, you know, breastfeeding can feel like such a connection. And correct me if I'm wrong or if this is something you've experienced with breastfeeding really. And Stacey, you would know this because you can share your number with our M&Ms. But I think moms get this, you know, joy and connection and life. Life, or at least that's what I saw as an exclusive pumper from breastfeeding.

[00:04:09] And pumping can really become feeling, you know, like a chore. And it can come with a level of guilt or disconnect is how I felt. And so I love that you're shining this inclusive light and that this can be a doable thing, that you can take this out into the real world and into your life and make it happen. Yeah, I love that. It's definitely very stressful. Listen, it's stressful overall. I do find that when you have the right information, the right equipment,

[00:04:38] just you go in there with a mindset of like, let's do this and let's make it happen. It can definitely feel less stressful, especially when you have a plan. Listen, a first time mom, or even like for me, when I was first pumping, I was not nearly as comfortable pumping. Now I will literally pump anywhere, anytime, anything. Like I'm just so much more comfortable making things happen. I'm like, I'm comfortable. Like I also know my body's capacity. Can I go the extra hour because I'm on this ride and I don't want to get off the line?

[00:05:07] Can I not do that? Cause I'm going to have a clog. Like I know, you know, as you do this, the more times you do this, the more comfortable you get. But the idea is that having the right information can help any mom, no matter what baby it is. That's great. Do you know my first trip to Disney with children? I had one child who was pushing three years old and another who was like going to be nine months when we were going to go on the trip. So the immediately the start of the planning is what I'm going to do.

[00:05:34] You know, I have these little babies and how, what, how am I going to handle breastfeeding at Disney World? And I just thought that it was going to be the most impossible thing ever. And I intentionally weaned before Disney World because I did not know how to deal with it at Disney World. And it was a regret. It is a real regret that I have. And, and of course I thought it was going to be quote unquote easier. And then now we're talking, we were still in the nineties ladies. So much older I am. Okay.

[00:06:01] So it was still the nineties and you know, the equipment just wasn't that great. I was lugging these bottles of water around in the formula and I thought it was going to be so much easier to do it that way. And it really was not. There may have been baby centers. I didn't know about them, but anyway. And I also think about the pumping equipment I had versus what I know is available now. That thing was, it was so gigantic. There was, it would have been impossible to do at anywhere besides my own living room.

[00:06:29] You know, all the best equipment has come out recently. I'm so impressed now. Of course now I have grandchildren and I just watch what's available now. And I'm just so impressed and so happy with the attitudes that have changed about it. I'm just so, so grateful for it. So I'm excited to hear this new modern version of the Disney World. And I say my pumping is so much obviously more modern than yours. Although mine was now, this is crazy. I can't even believe I'm going to say this. Mine was close to a decade ago. Like that's,

[00:06:58] that's kind of fast. Why fast? Yeah. My babies are going to be nine. So my journey was a really long time ago. That's beyond crazy. So yeah, my first baby is going to be nine also. I guess we did that first time. Oh, it's crazy. I mean, you can't even compare the journey that I had in 2017 to one that I just had in 2025. There is no comparison. Like listen, sometimes less is more, but sometimes more is more so much. And I'll get into details, obviously like in a bit,

[00:07:24] but there is obviously so much more available now to make life so much easier. Well, even just a, you know, my wife did this in 2014 and then I was a couple of years later. And even just that gap was a big difference. So I imagine now it's, I'm traumatized by this. And I just want to be real because I think there are M&Ms out there. People like to feel validated. I am traumatized by the sound of a pump. Sometimes it still feels like,

[00:07:53] like sometimes I can still feel it. Yeah. This is almost a 10 years ago. And I, I just, it truly is, was a traumatic thing for me. And I would love for it to not be a traumatic thing as much as possible for people that want to do this. Absolutely. And people like you, you know, shed light a number one, you have to want to do it. Right. Of course. And then B number two, I don't know why I'm lettering and numbering. Um, you have to know that there are ways to do it and that's where you come in. So a lot of our, our podcast is focused on planning Disney world vacations and,

[00:08:22] and beyond and other theme parks and things, but we really primarily focus on Disney world vacations. So tell us and our listeners just a little bit about your personal experience traveling to Disney world. You know, how many times have you done this with your kiddos and just a little bit of backstory there? Yeah. Well, first of all, I just want to tell you that what you said about feeling like trauma from the pump, like it's really, it's really triggering. Like when you hear it in the background, it's just like, you feel it like sometimes up your spine. Like even people that have a positive journey, like I,

[00:08:52] my first one was, was horrible. Like I, I am recovering from the trauma now, but it, it took a long time and it took, just so you know, it took three good breastfeeding journeys to heal that trauma for me. So that's why I was able to heal it because I, I was able to fix it. Like if I only had my first journey, like that'd be like, you'd be like me. It may, no, like what you're saying makes sense. And for any moms that are listening and feel a trauma about it, or like, you know, they're going into it and they're just deciding whether or not they should wean before. Listen, number one,

[00:09:22] nothing is more important than a mom's mental health. But I will say that from today to tomorrow, your baby needs you more than your breast milk. That is 100% my most important. And you know, there are moms that wean before going on big trips and I help them do it because if that's what they want to do, then I'm here to do that. But like Stacy said that she regrets it, which means maybe you weren't really ready for it. Now, mind you, if I had to be lugging around one of those pumps from the nineties with the situation, I probably would have done the same thing, but you know, it's not the nineties anymore.

[00:09:49] And thankfully the breastfeeding technology has come so far. So I definitely want to talk to you about, I feel like I pumped really well through Disney. Like it really did not negatively impact me in the slightest bit. If anything, like it gave me some time to be like, peace out. Sorry. I need to go pump. And I got like 30, 40 minutes. I'll talk to you guys like where I went, like a quiet, calm room. Like pumping at Disney was pretty good. I have to say.

[00:10:17] So I just want to start off for any of you guys that are like really nervous. It was really not a bad experience. If you listen to this and like, we go through what you're going to do. It really wasn't bad. So I'm just going to start off like that. It was, I love that. It was really good. So the first thing to note is that I went to two of the parks. I went the first day we went to magic kingdom. And then the second day we went to Hollywood studios, magic kingdom.

[00:10:43] You guys like we need a round of applause for what they have going on in there. I, I have a bunch of videos at one with the pump, either on Instagram, Tix, like where I show you like this place, this place, this should be the standard of room. So they have what's, they have the baby care center. Okay. And it's in the magic kingdom and it's right near, um, it's right by crystal palace. You know, I don't even know why I was wondering,

[00:11:12] obviously you guys know where it's at. Thank you. That's why you guys are here for. I don't remember. It's right near there. And you go in and like, it's literally magical. It's not just a nursing home. It's like a baby center. I mean, you guys have seen this place, right? It is unbelievable. So you go in there and they have, first of all, like a room with just like, you can get literally a vending machine of things that you could need for the baby, including snacks, formula, like diapers, wipes. Like they have it all over there. They had a microwave. They had bottle warmers.

[00:11:41] They have literally everything that you could need. But then the most beautiful part was this private room. I mean, when I say private, I mean, private of like, there were like, I think about eight recliners there with outlets and it was calm and it was serene and everyone was either nursing and pumping and it was air conditioned. And I was with my sister-in-law and we went together. We literally said, bye boys, please take care of everyone. We left our husbands with the kids and we said,

[00:12:09] we'll meet you in 45 minutes. Yeah. And it was literally, we sat and it was amazing. That's the first thing I want to say off the bat before I go through like a more in-depth schedule with you about what to pack and all that is that just knowing that you have that room is going to make everything so much easier for you because you have a designated clean spot for you to go to. And obviously if you're nursing, you'll take your baby with you. If you're exclusively pumping, you do not need to take your baby. You could, you could not.

[00:12:39] I was exclusively pumping. So I did not take my baby with me. I left all of my four children with my husband and my in-laws and I went by myself to the room to pump. And that was so bad. Yeah. If I had to, that was my job of the day. Like my husband's super supportive. So it wasn't like an argument. I was just like, this is what I need to do. You know? Yeah. And I will say, you know, when it was time for me to pump on my schedule, I, I needed to not have my babies with me. It's just,

[00:13:06] there was just a lot going on mentally and I needed that to be a moment where I was just kind of deescalating myself. And so knowing that it's easy to do at Disney is really, really great. So I want to talk a little bit. You said something, some things actually plural there that I think were really good that I think Eminem's probably grabbed onto, but mostly I think you set the tone here that this is not only doable, but also perhaps a little easy and enjoyable. And I think that's probably some moms clicking that are, are debating.

[00:13:35] Do I wean off before I go like Stacy mentioned, or is there a world where this is actually doable? And you have set the scene here that it's actually doable. I want to talk a little bit about this in a timeline, right? The before you go elements. And it starts first with that mindset. You know that if this is what you want to do, you can write. Know that it's just going to require some strategizing and logistics planning, but it's not only doable, but perhaps a little easy or at least easier than you may be thinking. Right? Yeah.

[00:14:02] So one of our Eminem's was nursing or pumping and just booked a Disney trip. What should be going through her head at the start? She's committed to wanting to do this. What does she need to think through first initially right off the bat? So the first thing to think about is whether the mom is nursing or pumping or combo, because if a mom is nursing, she doesn't need to do or really plan anything. She just needs to know where she can nurse. And number one, and I asked specifically the Disney employees for this, you can nurse wherever you want.

[00:14:31] There is not one place in the park that you cannot sit down, pick your shirt up and nurse your baby. You can literally nurse anywhere. It's a small world. Go for it girl. Like any place that you want to nurse, you are allowed to nurse. So if you are the kind of mom that is comfortable, it's easy for you to nurse your baby, like latches all over the world. This is really like going to be another day for you. You know, main thing to know. Cheers to those moms. That can be. Yeah. By the way, guys, that mom is not me in the slightest bit at all. Nothing.

[00:15:01] I have a really good friend like that. And we always laugh at like her life. Just, it's just so easy for her to do that. I am not like that in the slightest bit, but for, for the moms that have babies, that's so easily latch. This is going to be just another day for you. Obviously just make sure you have regular baby equipment, diapers, change of clothing, all that. But also to know that you can use the baby room as a place to just like calm the baby, you know, give the baby a little air conditioning break. If it's hot, just take that moment for yourself, but you are allowed to nurse anywhere.

[00:15:31] And I think that's important for moms to know. So nursing moms, you can nurse anywhere, but you do have the baby care center. If you want it pumping moms, as we know, we require a lot of stuff. We have so much stuff. Stuff helps us be successful. Stuff is annoying, but stuff helps us give our baby what they need. So the first thing you want to do is you want to know that you have the equipment that you need in order to do this. So let's go over what that would look like. And now a lot of exclusively pumping moms will already, they own a lot of the stuff. Some moms do not.

[00:15:59] Some moms buy stuff for the trip and then they end up using it longer or they just, you know, once you're spending money on Disney, what's another couple of extra bucks on the things that you need to get. So make your experience enjoyable. So you're going to need a primary pump. And I have free videos on my website about, I don't like to give specific pump examples because the actual pumps change so quickly. So I wouldn't want to say an actual brand name, but on my website, I have free, free videos with reviews where I say, what's a primary pump,

[00:16:28] what's a secondary primary is just like a good pump. It's the best pump, a good pump. You need one good pump with you that you want to take with you because you need to be using a very good pump throughout the day. You also are welcome to bring a wearable pump. Wearable pumps are the ones that go directly inside your bra. Those are the ones that you are always seeing ads for the moms flipping over and doing yoga in the pumps, whether or not that actually works. Amazing to me. It's amazing. You know, they don't like riding, like riding rock and roller coaster and pumping.

[00:16:58] I'd be like, can you imagine the content, like the video for that? You can bring that. I use it on the second day where it just, it was a little bit more chaotic and I just didn't want to walk back. And I didn't want, I would just, it wasn't in the place to leave. You can just literally, and I have videos of myself taking the pump in. I pumped while I walked around, I then pulled it out and I poured the milk into where it had to go. So pump wise, like no one even batted an eye. No one even looked at me. It was great. I bet a lot of M&Ms didn't even know that existed.

[00:17:28] I didn't know. Yeah. So you have, yeah, it's great. It's amazing. Okay. So you have your two pumps. Okay. And by the way, guys, both, but you do, you should, if you're exclusively pumping, you need to bring your main pump rather leave the wearable at home. Because if you're just using a wearable throughout the day, and I say this a lot on my page that it doesn't fully empty you the way that a regular pump will empty you. So if you have space for both, bring both this way, you don't have to feel stressed, but definitely bring the one that's good. Next, you need a place to transfer the milk into.

[00:17:58] So this is also, which is really great in the times of new is that you either have bottles that go in a cooler bag, which is really simple and easy. And honestly, it's really, if you want to use it, I'll kind of give pros and cons for each and everyone can decide what works for them. If you are putting bottles inside of a cooler bag, you can also use your flanges, your pump parts. Okay. And you can put those also in your cooler bag. And if you keep them cold,

[00:18:25] you can reuse them multiple times throughout the day. So sometimes I'll tell moms, just get one big cooler bag, keep the bottles that your baby's actively using, the freshly pumped milk that you need to store and your pump parts. And then like, if there's extra space, feel free to like throw some snack in there, whatever you want. But that's where you want to keep all of the active stuff that you're using throughout the day. The other option is a breast milk thermos. Have you guys seen a breast milk thermos anywhere online? Never.

[00:18:54] My algorithm is very different than yours. I'm not getting it. Now that your phone hears me. So this is a breast milk thermos. You guys can find it. I talk about them all the time on my page. Basically it's that throughout the day you pour the breast milk inside of here. And this is either you put ice in it and guys, you can get refillable ice from any of these stands, any of these like, like soda stands, whatever you can ask for ice to refill the inside chamber or some of them have ice packs inside. Again, I'm not going to say brand names because they changed so quickly,

[00:19:24] but you can find in two seconds on my site or whatever it is, the breast milk chiller that I'm recommending. You can get that. And it's honestly, it's a great thing for a pumping mom to have in general. You can decide either one of those, but you need a place to store the milk. Okay. Okay. Follow up question on this. So first of all, the wearable pump in the thermos, huge tips. I had no idea. So you're like, I'm sure you've seen this. I'm sure you've seen this. I have not. Oh, I love to share that. Yeah. So I had no idea. That's news to me. That's new to me. So that's great to learn. And I hope that's,

[00:19:53] that's new to an M and M that's going to be able to really, really use that information to help their journey. You know, if they were questioning themselves, follow up question, and maybe it's premature for this question. Talked a lot about pumping and your babies with you. What about if you're getting away? You know, I've got a nine month old baby and I'm going away for the weekend. And I do not want to stop my breastfeeding journey or my pumping journey, but I'm not going to have my baby with me. Yeah. Doable. What was that? Okay.

[00:20:23] Oh, a hundred percent. I mean, essentially that's exclusively pumping. So it's exclusively pumping, which I realized I didn't actually explain fully means that you pump multiple times a day, somewhere between four and nine times a day, based on your milk supply, based on how many months you are postpartum and you pump and you put the milk into the bottles and you feed your baby, the bottles people will do this. In my case, my baby was unable to latch and I still wanted to give him breast milk. Some people do not want to nurse.

[00:20:54] They don't, they don't want it for whether it's personal reasons, whether it's like anxiety of, I don't know how much they're eating. It's stressing me out. I'm feeling overtouched. They want their baby to have the benefits of breast milk, but they do not want to nurse. So people can choose to exclusively pump as well. So most people in my experience are what I call forced, quote unquote, into it because they really want to nurse, but their babies, their babies don't really care what they want. So their babies don't latch, but they want to give us. We were forced,

[00:21:23] we were forced into this life. We were forced into this life, which can be really hard, but some people choose it. So whether, even if you are a nursing mom and you're nursing at home, you essentially would just be exclusively pumping over that weekend is what you would do. And it's a hundred percent doable. And can you keep the milk and travel with it? Oh yeah, you can for sure. So you don't have to lose your supply. You can keep it. Do you have to freeze it? How long can it stay? I have traveled back with tons of milk, tons of milk. Yeah. So throughout the day,

[00:21:53] you're going to want to go and you're going to, it's going to depend on how many months you are postpartum, but you're essentially most likely going to have to pump between every three and five hours throughout the day. Now, again, this is where I tell moms, like you have to use your own judgment based on like your own milk supply and kind of just like, you know, if you, and moms that are in the thick of pumping. So if you're not pumping yet, you're, you know, you might not know the answer to these questions and that's okay. If you are already pumping a lot or nursing, a lot of moms will be like, yeah, yeah, I know what she's talking about, which is, you'll know,

[00:22:23] like if you can stretch it a little bit, like for me, I knew that I could go essentially, but I think even the second day ended up going six hours, which I don't recommend, but I'm like, it's just one day. And then I went home and I pumped like an extra time. Yeah. And your body actually, yeah. That's what I was going at. Like it just, yeah, you can listen to your body and, and it also will adjust within days. Yeah. I mean, listen, some moms really can. Some moms, if they go more than their regular three hours,

[00:22:52] we'll have a major supply dip and that'll ruin their whole vacation. So if that's you, if you know that that's you do not do that, rather take the 30 minutes to pump and get it done rather than lose your supply, because that's going to be a whole stress ball that you don't want to deal with. Yeah. I, I'm the mom that had double, I had double mastitis twice in one month. Yeah. It was, I would have recommended for you. I would tell you to go pump. Yeah. I was going to say, I, it would be so painful just for anybody who's never done it. It would be legit. So pay. I could never ride slinky dog dash. Right.

[00:23:22] While I needed to pump, like it would be a very painful experience. So you will be able to follow your body and the cues and know what's going on. Yeah. Okay. Exactly. Interesting question. What if I'm away with friends and I want to go to the enchanted rose and have a French 75, because I do want to do that. I pump and dump and how long, you know, how can you do that? Can you maintain that as a mom traveling, without baby and indulge, but also not mess things up for yourself? Yeah, absolutely.

[00:23:49] You want to have two hours from when you're drinking to when you pump. So what I tell moms to do, and this is kind of like an overall advice where I'll say, if you pump or you nurse, you now give yourself a blank, like a fresh slate. So whether I like to say the last thing you should do in your home before you start going to the park is pump. Let that be like your last thing. Or I even say, do it in the car on the way to the park, like get out of the car.

[00:24:18] You're going to the trolley thing, like go and you're fresh. You know that you have three hours right now to just get in here, do your thing. And you're not stressing about all of this. And I say the same thing that if you want to have a drink or whatever you're doing, like pump first and then go out. And now by the time you have to pump next, I mean, assuming you didn't have eight shots, which like, listen, go for it girl. If you had eight shots, there might be some pumping and dumping in there, but really like majority of moms do not have to,

[00:24:48] especially not for one drink or anything like that. Like you really could, they say the quote is like, if you can find the baby, you can feed the babies. I think it's a little bit loose for some people. So I, you know, so I like, so it's really two hours is what you want to wait from that last drink from when you're going to go ahead and feed the baby. Okay. And that's great advice. The last thing you're going to do is pump. Yeah. And I'm going to use that actually to transition to our life inside the park. I think this is a really,

[00:25:15] you've really touched on a lot of the great stuff to be aware of as a mom. That's, that's about to head into the parks, but the parks are overwhelming. They're busy. They're overstimulating. You are, there are crying children everywhere, not just the one that needs fed by you. Oh my gosh. Yes. You know, when I say this and it's still my favorite place in the world to be. So you just have to acknowledge that there are things. So first thing you're going to do is you're going to have released yourself, emptied your breasts prior to going into the park. You have pumped either on the way. Uh,

[00:25:44] if you drove probably that's because the, but I wouldn't necessarily recommend doing that on the bus or the monorail or anything like that. I do not recommend doing it on the bus, the monorail. No way. Number one, that bus ride can end, you know, you don't know how much time you actually have. No, no, I wouldn't. Oh my gosh. My wife had a horrific experience once, not on a Disney bus, but just in transportation once where she just turned wrong and the pump was knocked off. Yeah. And all the milk she had just done spilled all over the, all the, I mean, that's like her number one. Oh no. It's like her, that is one of her number one,

[00:26:14] most traumatic experiences of her lifetime. Okay. Do not put your milk in jeopardy, but find a way to release. So if that's in the resort before you head out, or if you're driving in the car, that's great advice. Walk us through a real day in the parks though. Nursing or pumping, the good, the awkward, the nobody tells you this moment that a mom might need to know. Yeah. I love that. So I send, ideally, you would go ahead and you would pump whether, whether wherever you're staying in your hotel room in the car.

[00:26:42] But now I guess it obviously changes. You guys would know this more based on, I guess the season from the time I left my house till the time we got into the park. I remember it very vividly where, you know, you have to drive and then the monorail and then the boat, like, and then the tickets. So by the time we got through, it was like two hours from the time we left my house. So right when you come into the park, this is obviously annoying and you do not need to do this because if you're excited to go in there, you don't have to, but correct me if I'm wrong, isn't it right? Kind of near the entrance, the baby center. If you,

[00:27:11] if it's just you and like a small group or just you and your family, you can just tell your partner, like, babe, just give me 20 minutes because if I can just do this quickly now, we don't need to come back here. So let, you know, let, let your partner stay with the toddler. The castle's right there. Plenty to look around, whatever it is. Even if it feels stressful in the moment, you will be thankful to not be going all the way in and then all the way out. So if it's like, if, if it's like you and it took you over two hours from door to door by the time you get into the park,

[00:27:40] I would go straight to that baby center and I would maybe empty out, even if it's like not a full pump, but I would just do it. Cause again, now you're on, now you're at a blank slate. Now you have a full amount of time. So if that's possible for you, I would do that. So number one, Tamari is doing a great job explaining why being on site matters the most. That's right. Don't drive in, stay on property. So she is not wrong. She, that journey, she explained that is exactly right. It was like horrible. I was not guys. I like did not realize my mother was like, Oh, when I was growing up, I always stayed on property.

[00:28:10] I was like, what does that mean? Like I learned so much. I was just like, Oh no, like it was two hours from door to door. So if you are staying on property, you need to go back. You need to let us plan it for you. You need to be on property and you need to get us out of it. If you stay on property, do it in your hotel room. And then you're blank slating. Then you, by the time you get into the park, it's like a minute, right? Like it's nothing. But a little pro tip. And I don't know, you'd have to check the hours, but depending on what time you're getting into the park, while you head straight to a baby care center, which is like we said,

[00:28:40] right at the end of main street, sort of before you get to the castle. If you go there, your partner, friends, whomever has the baby could go get in line at the silhouette station, which is right across the way. Everybody wants that baby silhouette and you could be doing two things at once. Just that's a little pro tip for you. I think that'd be a good way to kill that. Totally. Have someone waiting in line somewhere. Yeah. You got to wait in line somewhere. So go do that. Yeah. That's a great idea. Yeah, totally. Okay. So that's a great tip. Yeah. You'll do your pump or you won't do your pump during that first one.

[00:29:09] Then this is where throughout the day, something that you can do also is just put a timer on your phone. If you're pumping every four hours, you could put a timer on your phone because what time is it? What day is it? What year is it in that, you know, once you're in the park, that's why you don't need to be, you know, stressing out by the time you have that first pump to the next one, it's going to be about three and a half hours. Everyone's probably going to need a snack break anyways. So I highly suggest that you use that opportunity for you to go, whether,

[00:29:36] whether you want a nurse in the restaurant or whether you're going back to the baby care center, listen, you, again, you can pump anywhere you want. It just wasn't so enjoyable to pump on a bench. And like, I, I personally would have rather, I personally walked back because it was more enjoyable for me to walk back, even if it was annoying, but I found it to be worth it. My family ate lunch. They dealt with that. I took my lunch with me. I ate while I was pumping in peace and air conditioning. And I did that while they ate. Yeah.

[00:30:06] And then we reconnected after, I think by that time it was like time for the parade. So we all just like met up and then we waited for the parade. And like the timing kind of worked out perfectly. Yeah. This is where you send your family to go ride carousel progress while you go pump. I was like, this is the time. And listen, if the lunch like doesn't work out, listen, it's hard to miss out on things. Like you can choose. I think originally I was going to go pump wall. It was the parade. And then I was like, I don't want to miss this. Like, yeah, don't miss the parade. Don't miss the parade. that's,

[00:30:36] you send them to carousel. You send them to carousel. So I didn't know. And I'm sure a lot of moms here haven't even been there before or not a lot of times. So like, don't miss the parade. I'm happy I didn't do that. But right after, like we were all together and my husband went and he took the kids wherever he was, or if there was like a ride that you aren't dying to go on, or they can just do a food break. Like the food break is the best time to do it. And then again, three hours after that, if you have to pump again, it's going to be closer to dinner time. So ideally the main thing that you're thinking that you're keeping in

[00:31:06] mind is you go back to the baby care center or you nurse wherever or pump wherever you want while they're doing something that's not so desirable for you. So if you've been there before and you know, there's a ride that you're like, I don't need to do that ride. This is a great opportunity. Like I'm not a rollercoaster girl. So I told my husband like, go, this is a great time for you to take the kids on that ride that I don't want to go on. You do that while I go pump. But if you don't have that and you don't want to miss out, let them, let them eat. And again, if you want to be eating, you can sit at the restaurant pumping. No,

[00:31:35] one's going to say anything to you or listen, you're going to, it's, it's hard, but you have to essentially miss out quote unquote on something. So you can either use your wearable pump and eat with your family. Like using it one time is totally fine. So if you don't want to use your big bulky pump with those big bulky flanges, you want to just stick your wearable pump in for one or two times during the day. You absolutely can do that. And if there's a time that you're like, I'm okay to go take a couple of minutes, then that's when I would go back to the baby care center. But essentially throughout the day, every three to four hours, you are,

[00:32:03] you are pumping or nursing, and then you're taking your milk. You're putting it either inside of your cooler bag or inside of your breast milk thermos. Then you're putting everything back inside of your diaper bag. And you're kind of going throughout your day. That's great. Got a follow-up question. It's such great information. Also a follow-up comment, sending your family to do something you're not interested in might be a good time. If you have big kids, you take baby and significant other, whomever takes big kids. And that's when you do rides with a height requirement that could work

[00:32:33] out well for you. Plan lightning lanes close to baby care centers around the time where, you know, you're going to have to be there just so the walk back is less ping pong Bali and it's more, okay, we're going this way not only for baby care center, but also for this attraction that's near baby care center. And this advice, obviously for this example, we are talking about magic kingdom, but this, all of this advice and information can be translated into all four of Disney's theme parks. There are baby care centers and all of them. And my advice is find out where they are before you go.

[00:33:02] You can find them in your mind as the experience app. You can locate them on the map and just know ahead of time where to, where to go. Listen, magic kingdom is going to spoil you because that is, I only saw that one in Hollywood. Like the magic kingdom one is like, be it's gorgeous. It's gorgeous. The one in Hollywood, you know, it was what it needed to be. It was, it wasn't as beautiful, but it was still an air conditioned private room. But I was like, Oh, come on. Like this. Like after you see magic kingdom, you're like spoiled,

[00:33:32] you know? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So nice. I have some, I have some point of view questions for you. What do you think is the number one thing? Most moms might think is going to be really difficult or they're dreading, or it gives them anxiety that ends up being a total non-issue once they do it. I think in general, the scheduling of like what they're going to have to miss out on, because, you know, I kept saying like go when they're eating, but like eating is a huge part of Disney also, you know, that's such a huge part of something that people want to be part of. So there,

[00:34:01] there is the possibility of feeling like you're missing out. And that's, you know, we, we gave a couple of possibilities, but the whole part of pumping is 30 minutes a time, you know, total of having to go. It doesn't, it doesn't need to be an entire day affair. It's essentially an hour to an hour and a half where, you know, if you really, if you really want to, you know, to ask your partner to just sit with your toddler and run around and let, so you don't miss anything, then do that. Like, you know, if you're, if you're, then do that. If that's what you want to do,

[00:34:30] like you don't have to be a martyr and be like, okay, you do this and you're going to be upset the whole day. You don't need to do that. Like this is your job essentially is going to pump. And that's what you have to do. And I'm not saying you're not making anyone suffer by waiting there. Like your toddler and your partner can stand there and look at the king, at the magic castle. I need to look at. Yeah. Yeah. I need to look at. So if that's what makes you happy, you can do that. Ice cream. That's great. Ice cream. Yeah. There's plenty there. I also want to touch on the traveling with milk that you talked about before, which can,

[00:34:58] can feel really daunting and overwhelming. You can travel back with all of your milk. Like it's never been easier in the United States to travel around with breast milk. Like it's every year that I go on a plane with breast milk. It is easier and easier. I get like, thankfully because the rules are just getting easier. So off the bat, and I have very in-depth videos about this guys on my website, but just overall to know is that liquid milk can stay liquid for five days. So if you're going for a weekend, you can leave everything liquid and you can travel back with them in storage

[00:35:28] bottles or bags. You can put it in a cooler bag and take it with you on a carry on. Like it's your baby. And it can all be liquid. There's no amount of milk that it has to be, but they leave a little bit of extra time for yourself in TSA because they are going to like, take it out, test it, whatever it is. Ask the TSA person. They're, they're getting so good. They even remind me like, do you want me to change my gloves? Ask them to change their gloves. They're usually very nice about it. Everyone just put on a smile. Like people are very sweet. So you can essentially do that. If you're staying there for longer than five days, then you are going to want to freeze it.

[00:35:57] And you can do the same thing. You can travel back with the frozen. And again, I have in-depth videos showing this, but like you can travel back with the frozen breast milk also through TSA. They'll open it for one minute and then they'll close it right back up. And you can travel with it and put it straight in your freezer at home. I don't want to say it's not hard, but it's really, if you have the, the, the cooler bag, the ice packs, it's just, it's another something on your head, but it's totally possible. And in my opinion, it's totally worth it. It's totally worth it. You know,

[00:36:26] just a pro tip. I had a friend that I went to Disney with who was pumping while we were there. And this was her circumstance. And you're going to want to check with your resort when you're going to Disney, because I don't know that this is a sweeping policy, but I have had a friend do this. The resort desk actually agreed to hold her frozen milk. They had a deep freezer and they did that for her. And it was all labeled and cared for because you don't have good freezers in every room. If you're staying in a villa, you will have a freezer. But if you're nervous about how to freeze your milk supply, you can speak with your desk at your resort and they may be able to help you.

[00:36:55] I would call before and ask and say exactly what you need it for, because sometimes they'll just have like, I've used those like regular mini fridges. I've totally used them and they've been fine. But sometimes if it's like really just like a wine fridge, like depending on where you're staying, you know, so I would definitely, and they oftentimes will have extra refrigerators that they can maybe bring to your room, or maybe you don't stay in a certain place if they don't have what you need. Like if you're going to go and be stressed about your milk the whole time,

[00:37:24] then maybe that's just not the right hotel or resort for you. Right. And that's something that, you know, your travel agent can help you with a very like, not really controversial. Don't stress, but like it is your body. And if a mom decides that she wants to go and leave her milk and dump it out, I know that's like the most horrible thing for some moms to hear, but moms are allowed to do whatever they want. And if a mom is like, I have already like a ton of milk at home or I don't, but this is going to ruin my vacation. You are welcome to number one, either like post in any of these Disney mom, Facebook groups, like, Hey,

[00:37:54] I'm in this resort. If anyone wants my breast milk, you know, it's like informal sharing, but someone can like, if someone else wants to take it, that's their prerogative. And you can also dump it out. I know like the horrors because I wouldn't do it, but we respect everyone's choices. So if someone wants to spill their milk out and not deal with it, you have the right to do that as well. And live your life empty out in the baby care center and spill it out. Like, don't let anyone see you if you don't want it to come at you, but like do whatever you want. If you don't want to deal with this throughout the day. Yeah. Yeah. My favorite things that you've said are don't ruin your vacation,

[00:38:24] right? This is not something that should be bringing stress. It's going to ruin this. Disney is magical. It's one of those things you look forward to as a family. And for some people it's once in a lifetime. And this is the time when it's happening. Yeah. And so do not ruin your vacation. And I loved when you said, don't make yourself the martyr. You do not have to be the hero martyr. You can make it all work. And you should, if this is important to you and the vacation is important to you, which we all know it is, they can work in harmony. You know, it's okay. A hundred percent.

[00:38:52] So that's one last point that I want to say that I forgot that I actually did. You guys, you guys might be mindful of by this if you haven't heard of it yet, but they freeze dry breast milk. Now, have you seen this anywhere? No, different, different, different algorithms. They freeze dry breast milk and they give it to you in like individual packets. So it's essentially the convenience of formula, but it's breast milk and I've done it. Now I will say I it's wild, but like you can take these little packets with you and you just need the clean water and you pour it in with you. Like, let's say like,

[00:39:22] you know, your baby, whatever it is, isn't with you. You're not making enough milk. Like whatever, whatever it is, you need to bring milk with you to the park. That's one. That's the one thing we didn't talk about is that let's say you have to bring milk with you to the park. Cause like maybe you're not like I, but at the time I don't think I was pumping enough for what my baby needed. So I brought frozen milk with me. So I brought a portable bottle warmer, which is something you guys is something like for formula and for pumping moms is a great thing to have in your bag. Then I also brought freeze dried breast milk. You should not try it for the first time at the park.

[00:39:52] You want to try this at home to make sure it works for you. Cause the consistency is a little bit different than regular milk. So you want to make sure your baby's happy with it, but it was really cool to have that as an option. So there's so many things. I want to also remind our M&Ms to check out baby quip because you're mentioning these things, bottle warmers, things like that. Make sure that when you are looking at baby quip.com for all your baby needs, that you are actually digging into everything they offer because it's more

[00:40:21] than just the things we typically talk about. A lot of this stuff that you may need, you know, you said more is more, less is more. A lot of the stuff you may need, you may not have to travel with. They may have that as well. And especially even just the stroller to put all this stuff on, you know, so don't forget to use code magic when you're shopping, but actually dig into the things that they have because they may have a selection. That's going to make your life easier. I am just blown away with how much better things are. I'm so happy the way things are for everyone. Now I did,

[00:40:49] my journey did turn into being that mom. I have five children. I was able to become the breastfeed wherever mom, eventually, you know, so I just definitely went through that journey of weaning, which I did not want to do, but I ended up doing to just nursing. Actually, I don't know if I breastfed two babies at Disney, but I have tandem nursed at a time as well. So there's just a lot of lot going on. And I hope that moms are hearing that whatever their situation is in their

[00:41:18] young parenting life, it's doable at Disney world, whether it is, you know, you're, you're doing all formula, all bottles, bring your equipment, bring your stuff, use that baby quip and code to get all of your stuff there. Or if it's bringing your things from home to, to continue a pumping relationship and a pumping process that is working well for you, whatever it is, all options are still there. So I'm so thankful to hear from you and saying all of this, and you've obviously done very well.

[00:41:48] I'm so, I think that's great. I'm going to put Tamari in the hot seat. I'm going to make her do a lightning lead. And this is how we end a lot of our episodes. Yeah. Yeah. We just ask quick, quick questions. That's so cute. I love that. I love that. You call it lightning lead. That's so cute. I love that. Tell us the first answer that comes to mind as quickly as possible. Are you ready? I've never been more ready for anything in my life. This lightning lane is focused of course, on traveling with infants who you may or may not be pumping for or breastfeeding. Okay. What would you say is your favorite quiet place to relax with a baby out of the sun? Honestly,

[00:42:16] I really liked the baby care center because it was so enjoyable. What about the park that you found the most baby friendly? Magic Kingdom beyond. What was your favorite snack to grab and go while stepping away to pump or nurse? I love me a fountain soda. I'm sorry. It's just the truth. I love fountain soda and they had such good ones at that park. Favorite ride that you rode with a little one? It's a small world going there with your baby. It's like the mile high club. If you can nurse on that, on that, you totally should. Oh my God.

[00:42:45] That's hilarious. That's hilarious. And it's a 15 minute attraction. So you have plenty of time for a full. Like be able to tell your baby that you nursed them on it's a small world. Like everyone needs that in their lifetime. Favorite show that your little one may or may not have enjoyed? Frozen for sure. I don't know which part that was, but it was Frozen. Hollywood Studios. Yes. I love that one. And one word that describes your feelings about taking a Disney trip with your little one? Possible. Possible. I love that. It really, it's like, it's really like, if I want to leave you guys with one message,

[00:43:14] it's that I know that going to Disney can feel like a stressful, even though you're exciting, it's stressful. It totally did not ruin my trip in the slightest bit. It was just something that I had to do. And I was happy to do it because I wanted to give my baby the breast milk. And it really, it was not a thorn of the day in the slightest bit of anything. It was like a time for me to be able to sit down, take a breather, relax for a second. You know, my husband went and he cleaned all the parts for me when we got home.

[00:43:43] Let your partner do that for you. And it really is a hundred percent possible. And I recommend everyone, everyone doing it. Truly. Did you have to clean your parts between every pump in the park? So if you keep your parts cold, then you don't need to, if you don't feel comfortable doing that, like if you have like a NICU baby, immunocompromised, anything like that, then you want to bring multiple sets of parts or you can clean them in the baby care center, guys. There is, but like, I would probably bring your own bottle brush, even though I think they had, but like, you know, bring your own bottle brush. Okay. That's great advice. I did not know if you kept them cold. Yeah.

[00:44:13] If you keep them cold, you can reuse them, which is great. That's really, really, really smart. Well, I know Allie mentioned earlier, said I can mention my number. I have added up. We've had this discussion as we were preparing for this episode. I added up, I have over 12 years worth of pregnancy and breastfeeding experience. So I have done a lot between my five babies and there was no way I was waiting 12 years before I went back to Disney world. So there, we definitely have done it in all the different ways.

[00:44:43] And I'm just so glad that moms are getting braver to do it. And really just the attitudes of the world of not shaming moms for what they're needing to do. I'm just so proud that things are better for you young moms. It's so great. And so encouraging. So thank you so much. Yeah. And I'll just throw out there, you know, I definitely did at least two trips while I was pumping and the one I would have done when my twins were four months old or so. I don't even remember the pumping part of it. You know, when I look back on that trip,

[00:45:12] there are so many other things that I remember. I don't remember missing out on anything. I don't remember the inconvenience of any part of it. You know, I just remember that I did it. I must've done it, you know? And so that is, it's a perfect word possible. And for any M&Ms listening today, your magic word will be possible. Tamari, go ahead and take a minute. Tell our M&Ms where they can find you on social media. Give yourself a little plug here. Cause we definitely want to make sure they can follow up with you. Thank you. Well, first of all, thank you guys so much for having me. So my name is Tamari.

[00:45:41] You can find me at one with the pump, literally anywhere on Instagram, Tik TOK, YouTube. I give just tons of different tips and tricks and help. And if what you're hearing today, you know, that's going to help you, but you want some personalized help. You can check out one with the pump.com. We have the pumping support program, which is personalized help. If you want us to literally walk you through your entire day and walk you through how you, your baby, your family, your partner are going to get through this day.

[00:46:08] We can literally walk this through with you from start to finish amongst so many other things in your pumping and nursing journey that we can help you with. So you can check out the pumping support program at one with the pump. We want to help you. We want to see you everywhere. You can use discount code magic to get a discount from meeting me through here guys. So, and if you have any questions, you can always find me again at one with the pump. Thank you guys so much for having me. I hope you have a magical trip, but whichever mom you're going and you're going to have the best time ever. Yeah.

[00:46:37] We'll make sure we link your information in today's show notes as well as hopefully that blog post, if you can get it to us, but this was super informative. It was so enlightening. It makes it feel like I'm never having another baby, at least not out of my body. It makes me feel like I could do this. So that's all right. All right. That's going to do it for us here on another episode of the moms behind the magic. And until next time, we're sending you tons of fun, love and joy. And we'll see you real soon because I think Stacey and I time out tomorrow. Just FYI,

[00:47:06] we have some digital glitches like this sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. That was not me. Right. Okay. Yeah. That was not you. It was pretty rough. Just don't let that freak you out. Ali, sorry. Okay. Do you want me to start over or? Okay. There you are. Um, do you want me to just start? I mean, I'm plugged in Stacey. To not know what you're, what's being said ahead of you. It's just, yeah. I'll just start. I'll just start after that. Okay. Tamari, go ahead and tell us. Oh, sorry. If you heard that, that's the orthodontist reminding me that my daughter has an appointment tomorrow. Well,

[00:47:36] so that was awesome. Thank you so much. I'm so happy. That was great. I learned so much. That was fantastic. And I think we got through the, the glitching stopped, I think. Yeah, no, it totally stopped. It totally stopped. It was better. Thank you guys so much for having us. This is going to be like so helpful for moms. So this is supposed to be a mini episode, but I felt like the conversation was fun. The conversation was good. So I just let it keep going. I'm going to walk over here and start editing. Yeah. So these are, our normal episodes are like five weeks out, but these, these magic versions, uh, they're,

[00:48:04] they're kind of a quicker turnaround because they're supposed to be shorter. So, so much. Thank you. Bye guys. Have a good day. Bye. Bye. See me up here. What do you mean? This is weird. I don't know. I'm like popping into my, I don't know. All right. Going into a screen. Oh, it's a FaceTime. It's like, are you a ghost? What are you? All right. I'm going to stop there. You're getting a FaceTime call coming in. On my,

[00:48:32] I was getting a FaceTime on my desktop and I thought that the podcast was on my desktop. I don't know. It was confusing. Okay. And I can't hear her. She's there and I can't even hear her. Okay. All right. All right. I can't hear you. Thank you. Don't forget Katie. I won't forget Katie. Good luck. Bye.